What is 3 quarters of a tank

Breakthrough in the tank turret of the T-34

  • Hello!
    Here in the pictures you can see a bullet in the tank turret of a T-34. What German weapon could that have been? How would bullets from weapons such as the bazooka, or an 8.8, for example, differ?
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  • Hello !

    Do you have the dimensions of the "hole"? Then it would be easier to find out what they were shot with.

    Greetings Hannes

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  • Hello,

    I would rule out bazooka. I happened to see a documentary (in English) about the bazooka yesterday. The 60m model was also tested on the Sherman's side armor. The penetration hole was about a "5-mark piece" and was really round through the charge jet. It was also not as "frayed" as with this T34. Would type from a PAK 7.5 cm, but the specification of measurements would help us.

    Kind regards

    braeuti

  • Hello ... unfortunately I didn't have anything with me to take the measurements. The hole was about the size of a fist. So a bullet from 7.5 in diameter could be considered. If the penetration of a bazooka were much smaller, we can probably exclude this weapon here, which has actually already answered my question.
    greeting

  • Hello Beresina,

    can you tell me what kind of text is on the armor?

    "For .....

    Raffael

  • The beginning fits, and then "... Soviet Belarus"
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  • Thank you Beresina!

    I remembered the letters for "for" correctly.

    Raffael

  • Hello
    One of the two T 34s in Berlin's Tiergarten has a shaped charge hit / bazooka? on the tower, as already described, there is a round hole about 5 marks the size with a burned-in circle of about 10 cm on the outside.
    http://www.imgimg.de/bild_img0573ad064b9jpg.jpg.html
    mfg karat

  • Hello Beresina,

    I think it's not that simple that the diameter of the bullet hole / bullet hole on the armored turret indicates the caliber. Just think of under - oversized grenades - what kind of grenade was used?
    There would be B. the questions:

    - How does it look in the tower?
    - Is there a bullet (bullet channel)?
    - Did the tank burn?
    - How was the splinter effect?
    - What does the damage to the armor of the turret, i.e. the bullet, look like? Is it frayed, smooth, punched, circular or are pearls of molten material recognizable, etc.
    - Is there any flaking next to the bullet hole on the tower?
    - Did only the core of the bullet penetrate?

    Greetings Karl

  • Hello Karl,

    do you at least think that the hit does not come from a hollow charge weapon?

    Kind regards

    braeuti

  • Original from braeuti
    do you at least think that the hit does not come from a hollow charge weapon?


    Hello,
    Such a hole was not made by any shaped charge at the time. I guess it was a bullet in the 75-88mm range. The hole reminds me of holes in M ​​4 that are memorials in the Bastogne area.
    Greeting
    Rainer

  • Hello braeuti,

    I am of your opinion that it is not a hit / shot from a shaped charge. I wasn't in the last war, but I saw different shaped charge channels.
    On the picture with the so-called shaped charge bullet / hit you can clearly see on the bullet or circular hit channel (charge may have been placed on it) that metal has melted. A melting edge can be seen, which is typical for shaped charges.

    Greetings Karl

  • In the Spielberger you should see a Mathilda Mk. II in France, whose cannon cover was literally smashed by an 88 mm tank shell ... you can see an approximately round hole and at least a finger-wide crack at the top and bottom that divides the cover. I think the picture even shows details of such a hit, but I would have to look again.

  • Hello friend dear forum

    My grandfather told me a lot and often how he shot the turret away from Russian tanks and then the machine gun was hit if someone came out ......

    coarse hit would fit into the story, because you can only shoot the tower away if you hit between the tower and the tub.
    But there still remains the question of the projectile
    it also looks like a piece has broken out of the casting?

    My neighbor told me how a tiger shot next to him at a T34 that came out of the forest, it was on his 2cm on a Skfz 250/9.
    he said:
    "There are 54 tons of steel when shooting about 40 cm backwards, so strong was the 8.8 excess length"
    Oh yes
    He owes this shot to severe hearing problems today, the bones in the ear are broken-cracks from the bang.

    Conclusion:
    I think it is impossible to determine exactly which bullet caused the damage - other than the one that fired the tank

    best regards Michael

    best regards Michael

  • Hello old dad!

    Shoot away the tower is a fatal hit with a subsequent explosion of the ammunition.
    Sometimes the tanks carried a ton of ammunition, i.e. several 100 kg of explosives.
    This acts like a rocket in an explosion. There are only 2 or 3 hatches at the top of the tower, there is no obstacle at the bottom.
    So the energy escapes downwards. This means that a tower can fly away several meters high.
    There are enough pictures where the tower is meters away from the substructure.

    Best wishes
    Ronald

  • Hello ronald,

    I don't understand why there shouldn't be an obstacle below?
    That is the tub and beneath it the ground or the street.

    If the tower flies upwards due to the explosion of the riot ammunition, which I can certainly confirm from pictures, then the pressure upwards, i.e. on the tower that is attached, is effective and hurls it away, right?

    Greetings Karl

  • He probably means the recoil principle ... The explosion goes down, the tower goes up, it doesn't have a closed bottom.

  • Hello Karl,

    Your view of "a tower flying away" is correct and Ronald certainly meant the same thing and only expressed himself incorrectly (no obstacle).

    When the turret of a tank flies away, the same thing happens as when a shell is fired.

    The grenade is ignited, the propellant explodes and builds up pressure on all sides. With the support of the chamber and the breech block, the cartridge absorbs the energy of the explosion, acts like a soundboard and transfers the energy to the grenade, which then "flies away".

    This also happens analogously in the case described. The tank is hit, the grenade penetrates the combat area and detonates the ammunition it was carrying. The tub is then the soundboard (or an obstacle as Ronald says), which first absorbs the explosion energy and transfers the pressure to the tower, which then "flies away" -

    An explosion in the tank can cause any hit with a deep impact, no matter where the tank is hit and no matter what weapon is fired. Most of the time, the ammunition does not explode until the tank is on fire.

    greeting
    Eric

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  • Hello,

    I agree with Erich, here is a picture of a blown T-34 tower:

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    ... and this is how it looks when ammunition and fuel explode after a hit, on the left you can see the tower flying:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKqRsgm4CQc

    greetings

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  • Hello Erich,

    thanks for the information.
    The SV is already clear to me, just wanted to ask how
    Ronald means that.

    Greetings Karl

    Complement:

    The fact that the turret can fly away so quickly is not only due to the fact that, as already correctly stated, the explosion pressure goes up and the turret is open at the bottom, but also because the armored turret was usually only lashed. So it was in the ring gear on the ball bearing and was lashed to the top of the armored box
    (Lashing bolts).
    That is why it had to be removed relatively quickly during repairs.
    The dead weight also played a role. Of course, the turret was already lashed so that it could not fly away when firing its own cannon.

    Greetings Karl

    Edit: Clarification of terms