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Soy Protein Almost As Effective As Whey?

of corradogirl »Sep 21, 2007 7:42 pm

Hello,
I want to take protein powder as a diet but not to build muscle, but I don't know anything about it, can you confidently take a soy isolate because it works almost as well as this whey?
how well is it digested?

can someone tell me what isolate actually means?
It means that all substances except the protein from the soybean
are no longer there?
how it is with whey protein isolate everything is isolated away except the protein?
could it be that there is not as much iodine in the whey protein as in the whey powder?
who takes soy isolated for longer and can't report anything negative?
had read soy is supposed to be completely harmful to health?

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of cranki »Sep 21, 2007 7:49 pm

so many questions ....

So I think it would be harmful, for example, if you were only to eat protein powder [no matter which one]

hence ...

I myself would by no means use soy protein in my diet ....

I stick with the whey

soy protein does not have such great biological value.

and you may have heard "bad" about it because of the estrogen in it (but not in the isolate !!)

So I advise you to use casein as a protein powder, it is anti-catabolic (er).

around training then whey


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of Sender »Sep 21, 2007 8:09 pm

soy protein is probably one of the most suitable proteins in the diet (next to egg) and does not do as badly as many think from the point of view of the bw.

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of corradogirl »22 Sep 2007 18:39

now I'm almost as smart as before ...
one says soy nothing good the nadere says is good ... shame was hoping to meet experienced protein powder users here.
nobody knows what exactly isolate means?
I don't think that the estrogens are so bad for me but there are other things ...
http://www.sylt-gesund-leben.de/texten/soja.htm
that's really scary, doesn't it?!
Of course, I only want to eat protein powder, but I'm almost vegetarian I almost never eat meat because a good protein powder would be net bad, yes I want to take a ton of it but 20-50g of powder and that net every day.
what is inticatabol (er)? and why casein? i thought whey was best of the animals?


who takes the soy every day and is still doing well?
who has a link to a good soy isolate?
and what about wheat or pea protein?
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of Oida Fox »22 Sep 2007 19:05

well which of the two are you more likely to believe now?

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of cranki »22 Sep 2007 7:18 pm

better if you believe the senderson. he has more experience


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of Sender »23 Sep 2007 07:08

Yeah, 2 more years, wow


on the subject: my answer came for this reason

Hello,
he wants to take protein powder as a diet but not build muscle


the sentence doesn't really make sense, but would be rather off topic here.

And as mentioned, soy protein is definitely one of the hot proteins in the diet

Regarding BW, one can say that it really doesn't have to hide from meat and milk. In addition, soy protein has a very high proportion of glutamine. The powder almost always has a very high protein content, completely lactose-free and sometimes almost fat-free.
Besides, there are also positive effects on health.

I would combine soy protein with a source of egg protein, then you have a suitable combination that raises the BW by another 40.

So from my side really very little understanding why soy protein is always presented so badly and inferiorly. There is no question that it cannot keep up with whey, but in my opinion it is dragged too much into the mud by a lot of people.

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of corradogirl »25 Sep 2007 21:21

aha. thanks for your answer.
yes probably off topic but I didn't know where else to ask and I thought you guys know your way around here
I would have one question, I hope someone here knows.

When it comes to soy protein, it is said that it is not absorbed so well because it is supposed to be combined with grain, and only then can it be used,
is that also valid for a soy isolate?
And who knows by chance whether it is true that you can get thyroid problems from soy or would that be related to the hormones that are no longer in the isolate?

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of corradogirl »25 Sep 2007 21:37

who has a link to a good soy isolate?

and what about wheat or pea protein can mn take that as well as this?

*** -> Powerman 3-K Protein Soy Protein Pea Potato Protein

rantanplan: link removed (please note netiquette) ***



lg

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Currently on offer

of mario.meier »27 Sep 2007 04:42

Hello corradogirl, so I have been buying my soy isolate, with egg albumin and whey protein, for years at Metabolic Nutrition, is currently in the special offer there or search via google under Supra Protein 93 are listed by many dealers, but the freshest is available directly from Metabolic Nutrition.

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of Dr. Snuggels »Sep 27, 2007 6:40 am

Hi!

Personally, I would never use soy products, a few general information about this "trend food".

- Soya products are artificially added vitamins because the raw material (soybean) contains almost no vitamins

-The protein content of soy milk is almost identical to that of cow's milk

-Most of the soybeans are difficult to use by humans

- Soy milk in particular is sweetened with granulated sugar if it is not declared as "unsweetened" on the packaging. Because soybeans are bitter and so are the products developed from them if they are untreated.

-The positive properties on health that distinguish it from other foods consumed in the EU are limited to the isoflavones it contains. These are ketosteroid hormones that are structurally similar to estrogens and, according to studies, may have a preventive effect in breast cancer, the current reports that this also applies to prostate cancer are uncertain.

- The only aspect in which soybeans differs from other beans (!!!) is the comparatively high proportion of unsaturated fatty acids. However, Europeans already get enough unsaturated fatty acids from other foods, especially BBlers.

The reason for this "hype" is that soy is cheap as dirt due to the comparatively short growing time and the relatively easy cultivation. In addition, the industrially used soybeans or other raw materials come from the USA and some Latin American countries; these are all genetically modified. The small amount of soy that is grown in Germany, for example, is 100% used in certified organic products; industrial use is not possible due to the amount. As a result, it is extremely popular in the food industry (ready meals, NEMs, binders) and is accordingly smartly marketed.

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of Sender »Sep 27, 2007 6:56 am

absolutely right , only this wasn't about soy products

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of Dr. Snuggels »Sep 27, 2007 7:46 am

Senderson wrote:absolutely right , only this wasn't about soy products


Yes, soy protein is a product made from soy and this is made from genetically modified soybeans. In terms of food technology and from a comparative point of view of food supplements, it is genetically modified dirt that is hyped because it is cheap.

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of maxpayne »27 Sep 2007 07:52

Soy = dirt, that's the way it is!
Fucking afterwards is never as nice as you imagined it to be before wanking!

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Re: Currently on offer

of corradogirl »27 Sep 2007 13:23

mario.meier wrote:Hello corradogirl, so I buy my soy isolate, with egg albumin and whey protein for years at Metabolic Nutrition, is currently on special offer there, see www.MetabolicNutrition.de or search via google under Supra Protein 93, many dealers have listed the freshest giebts there directly from Metabolic Nutrition.

i can only take soy because there is too much iodine in the weys since i already have something with the thyroid gland i can sleep from the whey net


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